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	<description>Wesley R. Elsberry&#039;s personal weblog, talking about falconry, science, antievolution, computation, and the broken body he lives in.</description>
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		<title>By: Wesley R. Elsberry</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/turn-em-in-fws/comment-page-1/#comment-326196</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley R. Elsberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in a rural area. Your convenience does not equate to a license to kill. If I find any of my neighbors placing leg-hold traps or using hawks for target practice, one &quot;reality of life&quot; is gonna be me turning them in. If that includes you, I&#039;ll be especially motivated to testify at your trial and sentencing hearing.

I consider the continued health of the local raptors to be, in part, mine, and as you so aptly put it, I&#039;ll do what I have to to protect it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in a rural area. Your convenience does not equate to a license to kill. If I find any of my neighbors placing leg-hold traps or using hawks for target practice, one &#8220;reality of life&#8221; is gonna be me turning them in. If that includes you, I&#8217;ll be especially motivated to testify at your trial and sentencing hearing.</p>
<p>I consider the continued health of the local raptors to be, in part, mine, and as you so aptly put it, I&#8217;ll do what I have to to protect it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/turn-em-in-fws/comment-page-1/#comment-326190</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the 99% of you live in the city and have no idea about the reality of life in the outdoors, and living amongst it, except for your occasional outdoor camping or hiking experience.

You do what you have to to protect what is yours.

Enough said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the 99% of you live in the city and have no idea about the reality of life in the outdoors, and living amongst it, except for your occasional outdoor camping or hiking experience.</p>
<p>You do what you have to to protect what is yours.</p>
<p>Enough said!</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley R. Elsberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley R. Elsberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard, I don&#039;t think that your seat of the pants wildlife management is something I can get behind. I don&#039;t for a minute believe the &quot;former falconer&quot; thing, either. Current troll, yeah, that I can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard, I don&#8217;t think that your seat of the pants wildlife management is something I can get behind. I don&#8217;t for a minute believe the &#8220;former falconer&#8221; thing, either. Current troll, yeah, that I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: howard</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/turn-em-in-fws/comment-page-1/#comment-324091</link>
		<dc:creator>howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former falconer it is a beautiful thing to watch your redtail or Harris catch a bunny and start eating it alive.  The screaming of the bunny is a beautiful sound.  Of course this only happens when they get a poor grab.  You then have to step in quickly and break the rabbit&#039;s neck.
What world are you guys from?  Poor Hawks?

This protection of any and all raptors at all times is a poor policy.
Here is something for you to think about:  Southern Cal was mostly open grassland in the not too distant past. Oak trees, sycamores tend to be restricted to the canyons or areas where there is available water.  So where did the Mighty Cooper hawk nest? How many were there? I bring this up to say that it&#039;s my opinion that we have a lot more now because of the home building and landscaping that came with it.  This does a couple of things.  More trees for nesting along with observation posts and cover for the hawks.  They tend to be ambush predators.  The landscaping also provided habitat for other birds; hence more food for the hawks.  The Cooper population increased.
 The Cooper is by no means endangered, especially if you believe the Fish and Game numbers of those killed in only a couple years in only a few locations.  For that many to be killed in that short of time in just a few locations would tell me there is a serious overpopulation of Cooper hawks.  Another thing to note is that the people who are afflicted with predation are mostly concerned with the overabundant Cooper, not the kestrels, redtail, peregrine.  The Cooper should have a season to decrease their overpopulation.  I do not say this lightly to kill animals. I&#039;m forgiving up to a point.  I.e., a bobcat killed 33 out of 35 pigeons in one night..quite a sight to wake up to.  Killing for fun is what he was up to. I set trap for next night and caught him and relocated the bugger.  Now if I thought they were as numerous as coopers, I might not have been so forgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former falconer it is a beautiful thing to watch your redtail or Harris catch a bunny and start eating it alive.  The screaming of the bunny is a beautiful sound.  Of course this only happens when they get a poor grab.  You then have to step in quickly and break the rabbit&#8217;s neck.<br />
What world are you guys from?  Poor Hawks?</p>
<p>This protection of any and all raptors at all times is a poor policy.<br />
Here is something for you to think about:  Southern Cal was mostly open grassland in the not too distant past. Oak trees, sycamores tend to be restricted to the canyons or areas where there is available water.  So where did the Mighty Cooper hawk nest? How many were there? I bring this up to say that it&#8217;s my opinion that we have a lot more now because of the home building and landscaping that came with it.  This does a couple of things.  More trees for nesting along with observation posts and cover for the hawks.  They tend to be ambush predators.  The landscaping also provided habitat for other birds; hence more food for the hawks.  The Cooper population increased.<br />
 The Cooper is by no means endangered, especially if you believe the Fish and Game numbers of those killed in only a couple years in only a few locations.  For that many to be killed in that short of time in just a few locations would tell me there is a serious overpopulation of Cooper hawks.  Another thing to note is that the people who are afflicted with predation are mostly concerned with the overabundant Cooper, not the kestrels, redtail, peregrine.  The Cooper should have a season to decrease their overpopulation.  I do not say this lightly to kill animals. I&#8217;m forgiving up to a point.  I.e., a bobcat killed 33 out of 35 pigeons in one night..quite a sight to wake up to.  Killing for fun is what he was up to. I set trap for next night and caught him and relocated the bugger.  Now if I thought they were as numerous as coopers, I might not have been so forgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightworker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightworker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we have a situation that needs a solution.  

There is a man in my small neighborhood, a rural area, who has free-range chickens, and for Years has been shooting and killing hawks, owls, and any other wildlife he sees fit to do, over these chickens, which are not that many chickens. He does not have a large lot, not a large production, it is simply personal use.

I already understand that prevention is the first step to take when trying to prevent loss of livestock such as chickens.  I know, too, there are many non-lethal ways of dealing with the problem.

As a result, we now have an infestation of rats in this entire neighborhood.  The monetary and physical damage to homes and health caused by them is astronomical compared to the loss of some eggs and a few inexpensive chickens.

I want to try to help him, but he is of the sort that listens to no one, and has never even looked me in the eye, even if spoken to directly.  I had planned last night, to go speak to him calmly about the issue, as no one else will, but today I am feeling fear in doing so, as I might well end up with a gun in my face.  In such a situation, I am sure that I could still remain relatively calm.

I simply can&#039;t just stand by and let this killing of our wildlife here continue.  Others are unhappy about these actions, but it appears that no one else has the will nor the fortitude to do anything about it.  What should I do?

~Lightworker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we have a situation that needs a solution.  </p>
<p>There is a man in my small neighborhood, a rural area, who has free-range chickens, and for Years has been shooting and killing hawks, owls, and any other wildlife he sees fit to do, over these chickens, which are not that many chickens. He does not have a large lot, not a large production, it is simply personal use.</p>
<p>I already understand that prevention is the first step to take when trying to prevent loss of livestock such as chickens.  I know, too, there are many non-lethal ways of dealing with the problem.</p>
<p>As a result, we now have an infestation of rats in this entire neighborhood.  The monetary and physical damage to homes and health caused by them is astronomical compared to the loss of some eggs and a few inexpensive chickens.</p>
<p>I want to try to help him, but he is of the sort that listens to no one, and has never even looked me in the eye, even if spoken to directly.  I had planned last night, to go speak to him calmly about the issue, as no one else will, but today I am feeling fear in doing so, as I might well end up with a gun in my face.  In such a situation, I am sure that I could still remain relatively calm.</p>
<p>I simply can&#8217;t just stand by and let this killing of our wildlife here continue.  Others are unhappy about these actions, but it appears that no one else has the will nor the fortitude to do anything about it.  What should I do?</p>
<p>~Lightworker</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/turn-em-in-fws/comment-page-1/#comment-312569</link>
		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Wes, why do you let stupid people comment on your blog?
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When it comes to the hawk-shooting component of the population, that is the vast preponderance of the group. It helps to let everyone else see that directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Wes, why do you let stupid people comment on your blog?
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<p>When it comes to the hawk-shooting component of the population, that is the vast preponderance of the group. It helps to let everyone else see that directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiki?  WIKIPEDIA?  

LMAO.

Dude.  Shut up.  Corvidae (crow family) are NOT raptors, them&#039;s passerines (perching birds).  Raptors are defined by what they are, not what they eat.

Wiki...*headdesk*  Wes, why do you let stupid people comment on your blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiki?  WIKIPEDIA?  </p>
<p>LMAO.</p>
<p>Dude.  Shut up.  Corvidae (crow family) are NOT raptors, them&#8217;s passerines (perching birds).  Raptors are defined by what they are, not what they eat.</p>
<p>Wiki&#8230;*headdesk*  Wes, why do you let stupid people comment on your blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever seen a crow catch a mouse, even a grasshopper? Wiki list them as a bird of prey, good enough for me, whether they are classified that way or not they are a predator from what I&#039;ve seen. There are a thousand crows on our farm, I know their eating habits pretty well. Maybe we just have the badass crows that no one else has?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever seen a crow catch a mouse, even a grasshopper? Wiki list them as a bird of prey, good enough for me, whether they are classified that way or not they are a predator from what I&#8217;ve seen. There are a thousand crows on our farm, I know their eating habits pretty well. Maybe we just have the badass crows that no one else has?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/turn-em-in-fws/comment-page-1/#comment-312038</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy, apparently you must know something that most people don&#039;t.  I&#039;m glad you told me that a crow was a bird of prey.  Hmm, I guess you learn something new everyday.

You really should have knowledge on a subject before you post something, it keeps you from looking dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy, apparently you must know something that most people don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m glad you told me that a crow was a bird of prey.  Hmm, I guess you learn something new everyday.</p>
<p>You really should have knowledge on a subject before you post something, it keeps you from looking dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with native birds, they are and I&#039;m not gonna go shootin all of them. The whitetail deer needs to have population control to keep crops and vehical accidents in control. A short season on hawks seems like a good idea to control their numbers and bring in cash revenue. Crows are migratory and are birds of prey. Just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with native birds, they are and I&#8217;m not gonna go shootin all of them. The whitetail deer needs to have population control to keep crops and vehical accidents in control. A short season on hawks seems like a good idea to control their numbers and bring in cash revenue. Crows are migratory and are birds of prey. Just some food for thought.</p>
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