Comments on: The Presidential Debate http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/10/07/the-presidential-debate/ Wesley R. Elsberry's personal weblog, talking about falconry, science, antievolution, computation, and the broken body he lives in. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:25:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John Brawley http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/10/07/the-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-247532 John Brawley Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:39:25 +0000 http://austringer.net/wp/?p=981#comment-247532 The email I sent to MSNBC's Rachel Maddow: --------------------------- Someone with the reach and stature of a Chris Matthews or a Rachel Maddow _must_ publicly take apart John McCain's sophistry. The Zeiss Mark Nine 'Universarium' planetarium projector is about as much an "overhead projector" as the NASA Space Shuttle is a "freight elevator." The Adler Planetarium is one of the oldest and most respected planetaria in the nation. Last year it educated 80,000 school children in astronomy, using its 40-year-old, outdated, worn and deteriorating star projector, for which parts and service are no longer available. China recently installed a Zeiss Mark Nine in their Beijing planetarium. 2009 will be the "International Astronomy Year." If John McCain doesn't give a rat's ass about science education in this country (as suggested by picking a creationist who says "nukular" as his V.P.), that's one thing, but causing tens of millions of goodhearted people to think of the "overhead projector" they saw in their gradeschool classrooms, when the truth is _so_ _greatly_ _different_ from that, is tantamount to lying and he should NOT be allowed to get away with it. John Brawley tverse.com Eureka, Missouri ( P.S.: If you want a graphic illustration of the depth of McCain's self-serving prevarication, take from this URL the photograph of a Zeiss Mark IX planetarium projector, show it your audience, and ask them if they remember seeing _that_ in their gradeschool classrooms.... http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/image/79544342 ) The email I sent to MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow:
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Someone with the reach and stature of a Chris Matthews or a Rachel Maddow _must_ publicly take apart John McCain’s sophistry.

The Zeiss Mark Nine ‘Universarium’ planetarium projector is about as much an “overhead projector” as the NASA Space Shuttle is a “freight
elevator.”

The Adler Planetarium is one of the oldest and most respected planetaria in the nation. Last year it educated 80,000 school children in
astronomy, using its 40-year-old, outdated, worn and deteriorating star projector, for which parts and service are no longer available.

China recently installed a Zeiss Mark Nine in their Beijing planetarium.
2009 will be the “International Astronomy Year.”

If John McCain doesn’t give a rat’s ass about science education in this country (as suggested by picking a creationist who says “nukular” as his
V.P.), that’s one thing, but causing tens of millions of goodhearted people to think of the “overhead projector” they saw in their
gradeschool classrooms, when the truth is _so_ _greatly_ _different_ from that, is tantamount to lying and he should NOT be allowed to get
away with it.

John Brawley
tverse.com
Eureka, Missouri

( P.S.:
If you want a graphic illustration of the depth of McCain’s self-serving prevarication, take from this URL the photograph of a Zeiss Mark IX
planetarium projector, show it your audience, and ask them if they remember seeing _that_ in their gradeschool classrooms….
http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/image/79544342 )

]]> By: Cheryl Shepherd-Adams http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/10/07/the-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-246118 Cheryl Shepherd-Adams Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:36:45 +0000 http://austringer.net/wp/?p=981#comment-246118 Thanks for addressing this, Wesley. I wondered at the time what McCain has against planetariums. Thanks for addressing this, Wesley. I wondered at the time what McCain has against planetariums.

]]> By: blipey http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/10/07/the-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-246081 blipey Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:53:26 +0000 http://austringer.net/wp/?p=981#comment-246081 I think it has something to do with unfamiliarity--unfamiliarity with planetariums, with science, with things people don't interact with every day. In my interactions with people around the country I'm often amazed at the indifference that people show toward things that aren't what they're having for dinner that night or who they're trying to pick up at the bar. A lack of curiosity and a lack of appreciation for things others do is killing American education. A planetarium? Who the hell goes to those things? They just show Pink Floyd Laser Shows right? A dig site? People can just do that with their shovels right? We don't need to fund that. Soccer? That's that European thing right? They don't score any points? You can tie? That's not a real sport; we need to get that gym teacher fired.... I think it has something to do with unfamiliarity–unfamiliarity with planetariums, with science, with things people don’t interact with every day. In my interactions with people around the country I’m often amazed at the indifference that people show toward things that aren’t what they’re having for dinner that night or who they’re trying to pick up at the bar.

A lack of curiosity and a lack of appreciation for things others do is killing American education.

A planetarium? Who the hell goes to those things? They just show Pink Floyd Laser Shows right?

A dig site? People can just do that with their shovels right? We don’t need to fund that.

Soccer? That’s that European thing right? They don’t score any points? You can tie? That’s not a real sport; we need to get that gym teacher fired….

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