Kevin Clark (kbc1963):

“There are many specific items in this wide world that none of us know off hand however, being intelligent and a mechanical engineer allows me to solve such problems. An intelligent mechanical engineer can research the required specifics and understand how to use it. Thus biology and its concepts are only a bit of research for an engineer.”

Seems on par with Nelson in terms of arrogance.

I ran into a mechanical engineer creationist named Kevin Clark on the now more or less defunct ‘Evolutionisdead’ forum a year or so ago. As so many such folk do, he boasted of his supeior intllect and scientific prowess, asserting that he was NOT a creationist, no sir, that he was an Intelligent Design advocate, and was so because his intelligence and the fact that he was an engineer gave him special insights into all things related to biology (and my portrayal of his position is not, amazingly, an exaggeration). This special insight allowed him to see that evolution was untenable (why, he even came up with his own ‘ID theory’ that he wrote about on ISCID).

So, out of curiosity, I googled his screen name to see where else he had been posting. Lo and behold, I found that he had been posting on a Sunday School website, espousing the usual YEC dogma.

I challenged him on this on EiD, and he claimed that he had allowed members of his Sunday school class to log in to that forum using his screen name.

Because I guess today’s Sunday school students cannot register on a Christian-run discussion forum themselves…

The lengths these people will go to.

I should also note that Kevin Clark, engineer and super intellect expert on biology, made such claims as: all cells are spheres, that it is impossible for the same sets of genes to encode the same limbs in different creatures because he cannot do this in his computer, etc…

I wonder who it was who introduced himself to me by the name of “Nelson Alonso” in 2002 at the AMNH…

You really think I would really want to meet the King of all Witchhunters in person.

Are you in the habit of “borrowing” identities of “friends”, “Guts”? Did you know that your actions are criminal offenses, severely punishable?

It wasn’t stolen.

Are you in the habit of “borrowing” identities of “friends”, “Guts”? Did you know that your actions are criminal offenses, severely punishable?

I suggest we report this, W.E.

Um so what?

The establishment clause of the First Amendment.

“Nelson Alonso”:

Well it’s not surprising that honesty is a foreign concept for you, but regardless, there is no real reason for me to repudiate any statements I made there, not that I still agree with everything I have ever written in the Calvin e-mail list. Still, I wouldn’t sign an official poll with the name “nelson alonso”, it’s not even my real name, I was “borrowing” a close friend of mine’s.

I can recognize when a correspondent has no concept of honesty and not falsely attribute honesty as a constraint on such an individual’s behavior. The “Nelson Alonso” pseudonymic author of comments here has engaged in a steady stream of false claims and misrepresentations, so there’s no reason to suspect that another false claim that would be ever-so-convenient would be out of line.

I wonder who it was who introduced himself to me by the name of “Nelson Alonso” in 2002 at the AMNH…

There’s also the Rev. William Paley, someone who argued theology based on design. It’s just business as usual in the get-religious-arguments-into-the-classroom-by-hook-or-by-crook movement, and the usual digressive technique being employed by Nelson.

Um so what? Not all theologians who argue design are antievolution.

Elsberry:

So, how many “Nelson Alonso” IDC cheerleaders are there? Wouldn’t it have made more sense for Nelson to have claimed that the author of the Calvin Evolution email list post eight years ago was a different “Nelson Alonso” or that it must have been written by somebody else? Is there any record back in 2002 of Nelson Alonso saying that the proposed changes in Ohio were not a good idea?

Well it’s not surprising that honesty is a foreign concept for you, but regardless, there is no real reason for me to repudiate any statements I made there, not that I still agree with everything I have ever written in the Calvin e-mail list. Still, I wouldn’t sign an official poll with the name “nelson alonso”, it’s not even my real name, I was “borrowing” a close friend of mine’s.

So, how many “Nelson Alonso” IDC cheerleaders are there? Wouldn’t it have made more sense for Nelson to have claimed that the author of the Calvin Evolution email list post eight years ago was a different “Nelson Alonso” or that it must have been written by somebody else? Is there any record back in 2002 of Nelson Alonso saying that the proposed changes in Ohio were not a good idea?

However, and more importantly, I did not write my name on that Poll, either someone did or that is a different “Nelson Alonso”.