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	<title>Comments on: Florida: Open Letter on Learning from History</title>
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	<description>Wesley R. Elsberry&#039;s personal weblog, talking about falconry, science, antievolution, computation, and the broken body he lives in.</description>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes, 

Just something to note. I have been reading through some of the news reports on the Florida Bill and came across this quote by Hays in an article from the Miami Herald:

Neither Hays nor his co-sponsor, Brandon Republican Sen. Ronda Storms, could name any teachers in Florida who have been disciplined for being critical of evolution in the science classroom. Better known for his &#039;&#039;Win Ben Stein&#039;s Money&#039;&#039; game show, Stein made the documentary to document how evolution critics have supposedly run afoul of mainstream science in higher academics.

&quot;I want a balanced policy. I want students taught how to think, not what to think,&quot; Hays says. &quot;There are problems with evolution. Have you ever seen a half-monkey, half human?&quot;

http://www.miamiherald.com/458/v-print/story/451272.html

I do believe the last sentence says it all. It might be useful to note that apparently Hays&#039; bill is aimed at allowing folks to question an apparition of his mind that he is putting forth. Whatever the reason - intentionally disingenuousness or genuine misunderstanding - that kind of erroneous thinking should be noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes, </p>
<p>Just something to note. I have been reading through some of the news reports on the Florida Bill and came across this quote by Hays in an article from the Miami Herald:</p>
<p>Neither Hays nor his co-sponsor, Brandon Republican Sen. Ronda Storms, could name any teachers in Florida who have been disciplined for being critical of evolution in the science classroom. Better known for his &#8221;Win Ben Stein&#8217;s Money&#8221; game show, Stein made the documentary to document how evolution critics have supposedly run afoul of mainstream science in higher academics.</p>
<p>&#8220;I want a balanced policy. I want students taught how to think, not what to think,&#8221; Hays says. &#8220;There are problems with evolution. Have you ever seen a half-monkey, half human?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/458/v-print/story/451272.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.miamiherald.com/458/v-print/story/451272.html</a></p>
<p>I do believe the last sentence says it all. It might be useful to note that apparently Hays&#8217; bill is aimed at allowing folks to question an apparition of his mind that he is putting forth. Whatever the reason &#8211; intentionally disingenuousness or genuine misunderstanding &#8211; that kind of erroneous thinking should be noted.</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
		<link>http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/04/25/florida-open-letter-on-learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-193231</link>
		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I recruit some assistance on that project? I&#039;m off at a recreational area today and don&#039;t know how much access I&#039;ll have to the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I recruit some assistance on that project? I&#8217;m off at a recreational area today and don&#8217;t know how much access I&#8217;ll have to the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg du Pille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg du Pille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and how about sending it as well to all the relevant legislators before they vote on the third reading of the Bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and how about sending it as well to all the relevant legislators before they vote on the third reading of the Bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  As a college professor I&#039;m going to have to clean up this mess.  Unfortunately the only students interested in higher levels of science aren&#039;t from here anyway.

Your line about &quot;(teaching) that science and scientists are untrustworthy&quot; hits the nail on the head.  I wish we could make people choose- accept science or reject it.  If you don&#039;t want to accept the evidence that science presents, please don&#039;t accept medicine, technology, or all of the good things that science offers (and they happily accept).

Please send your outstanding article to as many newspapers as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  As a college professor I&#8217;m going to have to clean up this mess.  Unfortunately the only students interested in higher levels of science aren&#8217;t from here anyway.</p>
<p>Your line about &#8220;(teaching) that science and scientists are untrustworthy&#8221; hits the nail on the head.  I wish we could make people choose- accept science or reject it.  If you don&#8217;t want to accept the evidence that science presents, please don&#8217;t accept medicine, technology, or all of the good things that science offers (and they happily accept).</p>
<p>Please send your outstanding article to as many newspapers as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A beautiful summation, Wes!  Just goes to show these folks never learn from their mistakes - and neither do the legislatures, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A beautiful summation, Wes!  Just goes to show these folks never learn from their mistakes &#8211; and neither do the legislatures, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RNCSE has been a bit behind for a while, but I think that Glenn is slowly catching up on the backlog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RNCSE has been a bit behind for a while, but I think that Glenn is slowly catching up on the backlog.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries. Thanks again for a great summary on the evolution of creationism. 

O/T question for you: are the Reports of the National Center for Science Education getting behind in publication - or is this a normal time-lag? The latest RNCSE posted is from early 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries. Thanks again for a great summary on the evolution of creationism. </p>
<p>O/T question for you: are the Reports of the National Center for Science Education getting behind in publication &#8211; or is this a normal time-lag? The latest RNCSE posted is from early 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, fixed the typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, fixed the typo.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this Wes. An excellent overview and well worthy of publication as an op-ed piece. 

did notice one typo, though:

&quot;that evolution be the subject of “critically analysis”.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this Wes. An excellent overview and well worthy of publication as an op-ed piece. </p>
<p>did notice one typo, though:</p>
<p>&#8220;that evolution be the subject of “critically analysis”.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I wrote it for. I sent it to the St. Petersburg Times and have heard no reply from them. If you have contact info for some others, send that along to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I wrote it for. I sent it to the St. Petersburg Times and have heard no reply from them. If you have contact info for some others, send that along to me.</p>
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