“I concur with Frank’s assessment of Ben’s Argument for Unwanted Consequences. Ben Stein is an idiot. The nazis used IBM “Hollerith” machines to help document and organize files pertaining to the Final Solution. Does that mean Ben never uses a computer?

“oh,” I hear, “but what computers they used has no connection to the ideology! Darwinism is directly related to the ideology of the Nazi’s belief in a superior race!”

Go back to school.

paz”

Like I said before, motivation is not an argument. Seems like you could use a refresher course or two. Few things make me laugh more than seeing someone call someone an “idiot” and then saying, “go back to school” while in the midst of a complete lack of understanding of what the person is saying. Remember that this was an interview asking him why he took the job, not why he feels evolution is wrong.

How truly ironic that you guys are using a fallacious premise to expose a fallacious argument. Yes, if one were to attempt to build a case against the veracity of evolution based simply upon Nazi’s using it as a tool of oppression, they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. That’s as fallacious an argument as saying that God doesn’t exist because so many people throughout history have done bad things in an effort to please their god(s). This post makes me laugh the most, “Holocaust-connection argument is (among other things) a fallacious Argument from Unwanted Consequence against “Darwinism””

What argument was made? I hope you’re not making the case that the Nazi’s didn’t use, “Darwinism because it played such a large part in the Nazis’ Final Solution to their so-called “Jewish problem” and was so clearly instrumental in their rationalizing of the Holocaust” because they most certainly did, whether or not their understanding was spot on is immaterial because Stein is not building a case against it based upon that “argument” (as you seem to confuse it with). In the very same paragraph he says, “So I was primed to want to do a project” which even further reinforces the point that he was merely explaining why he took it, as opposed to building a so-called, “argument.”

P.S. Even some conservative Christians think you have gone off the deep end Mr. Stein so, you can’t make the absurd claim that only liberals believe in evolution theory or that everyone who believes in evolution is a liberal. That assumption is just inconsistent with social reality.

And why would anyone wish to cast themselves in the role of a totalitarian homicidal maniac? I think that falls under “too much information”.

The producers did this. The producers said that. Ben Stein is dumb.

Enough already.

To respond to one comment above about the Nazis “misapplying” evolution and about modern theories of evolution being any different from the 1940′s versions, I would say the Nazis got it right.

If we are just bags of reacting chemicals, then there is no absolute morality. All morality would be subjectively invented by humans. If killing you (and getting away with it) furthers my personal idea of what the world should be like (in this facetious hypothetical example, a place without you in it) then nothing is wrong if I just make you disappear one day.

I’ve judge you as stupid and unfit for the gene pool. I have the power to pull off your murder and get away with it. You can’t stop me.

You don’t fit into MY version of the world, just as the “useless eaters” didn’t fit into the Nazi version.

You will be dead. I will continue to reproduce and teach my children that there is no morality either.

I win.

Ta da! Natural selection at work.

It was pretty clear that Expelled copied from XVIVO, but evidence that they only started fairly recently would be a rather damming slam-dunk if they somehow did within a few months what it took Harvard/XVIVO years to do.

We know they are liars. However, for the most part, lying isn’t illegal. The XVIVO copyright is another matter. It could easily delay or kill the film, if they comply and it could be even worse if they go to court. Dembski and Steins statements are just so bad, you can just feel the panic about potential discovery. Certainly, each of these folks would be dragged into court for possible testimony.