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	<title>Comments on: Iowa Citizens for Science on Gonzalez and the Discovery Institute</title>
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	<description>Wesley R. Elsberry&#039;s personal weblog, talking about falconry, science, antievolution, computation, and the broken body he lives in.</description>
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		<title>By: Tyler DiPietro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler DiPietro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following Geirge, I&#039;m beginning to suspect that this whole thing is an elaborate publicity stunt. Maybe the DI has come to the conclusion that, for now at least, they can&#039;t win in the courts, so they&#039;re just spreading the word through good old fashioned propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following Geirge, I&#8217;m beginning to suspect that this whole thing is an elaborate publicity stunt. Maybe the DI has come to the conclusion that, for now at least, they can&#8217;t win in the courts, so they&#8217;re just spreading the word through good old fashioned propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dangnabit, this is a great post.  Why not add it to PT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dangnabit, this is a great post.  Why not add it to PT?</p>
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		<title>By: Geirge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geirge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me, that Gonzales has simply made the shift to ID a little sooner than Behe did in his career. After all, why waste all that time on actual hard science work, when he can start to cash in on the ID gravy train. And who knows how long that gravy train will be providing. Seems rather like a planned outcome. All this hubbub then being the payoff in media buzz, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me, that Gonzales has simply made the shift to ID a little sooner than Behe did in his career. After all, why waste all that time on actual hard science work, when he can start to cash in on the ID gravy train. And who knows how long that gravy train will be providing. Seems rather like a planned outcome. All this hubbub then being the payoff in media buzz, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, Mr. Po-Mo himself. People have the right to hold such ideas if they so choose, but there is no ``right`` for them to be accepted. Wasn&#039;t it Twain who said people have a right to their own opinions, not to their own facts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, Mr. Po-Mo himself. People have the right to hold such ideas if they so choose, but there is no &#8220;right&#8220; for them to be accepted. Wasn&#8217;t it Twain who said people have a right to their own opinions, not to their own facts?</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably no coincidence that Steve &quot;Affirmative Action For Ideas&quot; Fuller was part of the defense at Dover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably no coincidence that Steve &#8220;Affirmative Action For Ideas&#8221; Fuller was part of the defense at Dover.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is consistant with their approach at and after Dover. Ask both that scientfic status of ID not be considered - and ask that it be considered in favor of the DI position. That way, they win regardless. If it was judged as science, they would loudly proclaim how both they and plaintiffs asked for it. If it was not so judged (as happened in real life), they&#039;d loudly proclaim that they never wanted it judged in the first place. Heads they win, tails they win. No &#039;other&#039; science asks for or needs these exemptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is consistant with their approach at and after Dover. Ask both that scientfic status of ID not be considered &#8211; and ask that it be considered in favor of the DI position. That way, they win regardless. If it was judged as science, they would loudly proclaim how both they and plaintiffs asked for it. If it was not so judged (as happened in real life), they&#8217;d loudly proclaim that they never wanted it judged in the first place. Heads they win, tails they win. No &#8216;other&#8217; science asks for or needs these exemptions.</p>
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