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	<title>Comments on: Expelled: Texas Education Agency Fires Staffer for Announcing Talk by Barbara Forrest</title>
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	<description>Wesley R. Elsberry&#039;s personal weblog, talking about falconry, science, antievolution, computation, and the broken body he lives in.</description>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone checked the educational credentials, work history, and political connections of the new appointees at TEA? This should be a story in itself. 

Where did NCLB and Reading First (under investigation) start? 
A) TEA
B) UTHSC-H
C) UT System
C) All of the above

*The Reading First Initiative was established through the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone checked the educational credentials, work history, and political connections of the new appointees at TEA? This should be a story in itself. </p>
<p>Where did NCLB and Reading First (under investigation) start?<br />
A) TEA<br />
B) UTHSC-H<br />
C) UT System<br />
C) All of the above</p>
<p>*The Reading First Initiative was established through the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Culture war?  Yeah, I&#039;ll go with that, but it&#039;s even a lot sillier than that (although no less scary).  What they&#039;re trying to do is introduce the idea that superstition IS scientific.  On a Venn Diagram there is complete overlap between the dark forces of ID and the folks who think we found WMD in Iraq.

If ID would even chance a scientific prediction maybe they could get James Randi to test them for the million dollar prize.

Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culture war?  Yeah, I&#8217;ll go with that, but it&#8217;s even a lot sillier than that (although no less scary).  What they&#8217;re trying to do is introduce the idea that superstition IS scientific.  On a Venn Diagram there is complete overlap between the dark forces of ID and the folks who think we found WMD in Iraq.</p>
<p>If ID would even chance a scientific prediction maybe they could get James Randi to test them for the million dollar prize.</p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: iburl</title>
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		<dc:creator>iburl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deputy Commissioner, Statewide Policy &amp; Programs,
Lizzette Reynolds (Acting)	(512) 936-6060</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deputy Commissioner, Statewide Policy &amp; Programs,<br />
Lizzette Reynolds (Acting)	(512) 936-6060</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;    Austringer:

    &quot;Employees in Texas are treated as “at will” employees.&quot;

In this case it doesn’t matter. She is clearly a victim of religious persecution and discrimination. As such this is so illegal that she would have excellent chances in court.&lt;/i&gt;

So I take it that you agreed with my previous statement that

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Even employers in one of the two “at will” states cannot abrogate an employee’s civil rights with impunity.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>    Austringer:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Employees in Texas are treated as “at will” employees.&#8221;</p>
<p>In this case it doesn’t matter. She is clearly a victim of religious persecution and discrimination. As such this is so illegal that she would have excellent chances in court.</i></p>
<p>So I take it that you agreed with my previous statement that</p>
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Even employers in one of the two “at will” states cannot abrogate an employee’s civil rights with impunity.
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<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Austringer:

Employees in Texas are treated as “at will” employees.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In this case it doesn&#039;t matter.  She is clearly a victim of religious persecution and discrimination.  As such this is so illegal that she would have excellent chances in court.

The head of the Texas State Board of Education, Don McLeroy is a religious extremist, avowed creationist and associate of the DI, and a religious bigot who considers himself the judge of who is a real Xian and who is a Fake one.  He has been trying for years to get rid of evolution teaching in public schools.  They are where the ultimate responsibility for her dismissal lies.

Chris Comer wasn&#039;t creationist enough or orthodox Christian as McLeroy refers to fundie Xians.  She was in the way of their attempt to rewrite Texas science standards with a fundie religious slant.  It is guaranteed that her replacement will be a creationist.

A court case would be illuminating.  I bet the email and paper trail between the leadership of the Texas school system would read something like a cross between a Stalinist show trial and a Catholic Inquisition.

PS:  There is a lead lining here.  I&#039;ve read some of McLeroys bigoted ravings.  He appears to have little scientific knowledge about biology.  He is a religious bigot.  He also seems to be pretty dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Austringer:</p>
<p>Employees in Texas are treated as “at will” employees.</p></blockquote>
<p>In this case it doesn&#8217;t matter.  She is clearly a victim of religious persecution and discrimination.  As such this is so illegal that she would have excellent chances in court.</p>
<p>The head of the Texas State Board of Education, Don McLeroy is a religious extremist, avowed creationist and associate of the DI, and a religious bigot who considers himself the judge of who is a real Xian and who is a Fake one.  He has been trying for years to get rid of evolution teaching in public schools.  They are where the ultimate responsibility for her dismissal lies.</p>
<p>Chris Comer wasn&#8217;t creationist enough or orthodox Christian as McLeroy refers to fundie Xians.  She was in the way of their attempt to rewrite Texas science standards with a fundie religious slant.  It is guaranteed that her replacement will be a creationist.</p>
<p>A court case would be illuminating.  I bet the email and paper trail between the leadership of the Texas school system would read something like a cross between a Stalinist show trial and a Catholic Inquisition.</p>
<p>PS:  There is a lead lining here.  I&#8217;ve read some of McLeroys bigoted ravings.  He appears to have little scientific knowledge about biology.  He is a religious bigot.  He also seems to be pretty dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just called Lizette Reynold&#039;s office to complain and I was the first person who had called, so they aren&#039;t getting a lot of complaints yet.  

Here&#039;s the number
Lizzette Reynolds  512-936-6060</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just called Lizette Reynold&#8217;s office to complain and I was the first person who had called, so they aren&#8217;t getting a lot of complaints yet.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the number<br />
Lizzette Reynolds  512-936-6060</p>
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		<title>By: Austringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous,

Employees in Texas are treated as &quot;at will&quot; employees. That doesn&#039;t mean that other states do so (the only other state with that policy is Virginia), nor does it mean that what the TEA is doing is correct. Even employers in one of the two &quot;at will&quot; states cannot abrogate an employee&#039;s civil rights with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>Employees in Texas are treated as &#8220;at will&#8221; employees. That doesn&#8217;t mean that other states do so (the only other state with that policy is Virginia), nor does it mean that what the TEA is doing is correct. Even employers in one of the two &#8220;at will&#8221; states cannot abrogate an employee&#8217;s civil rights with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FACT: people that work for a state agency are &quot;at will&quot; employees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FACT: people that work for a state agency are &#8220;at will&#8221; employees</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I should have made clear in my previous comment another thing: I know that she wasn&#039;t actually fired (she was &quot;forced to resign&quot;), but it appears that Lisette Reynolds considered that email a sackable offence.  In the UK there is something called &quot;constructive dismissal&quot; which amounts to forcing someone to resign their job.  It is a civil offence, so would require the filing of a personal lawsuit.

Further clarification of my previous comment: if someone commits a criminal offence while doing their job (e.g. fraud), they can be sacked straight away without any comeback on the employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I should have made clear in my previous comment another thing: I know that she wasn&#8217;t actually fired (she was &#8220;forced to resign&#8221;), but it appears that Lisette Reynolds considered that email a sackable offence.  In the UK there is something called &#8220;constructive dismissal&#8221; which amounts to forcing someone to resign their job.  It is a civil offence, so would require the filing of a personal lawsuit.</p>
<p>Further clarification of my previous comment: if someone commits a criminal offence while doing their job (e.g. fraud), they can be sacked straight away without any comeback on the employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two comments to make here:

(1) This incident is an utter disgrace. Lisette Reynolds should be locked away (preferably in a nice soft cell where she can&#039;t do anyone any harm).

(2) Boy, you guys have some dumb employment law in the US.  IIUC, there is no country in western Europe in which an employee may legally be fired for a &quot;first offence&quot;.  Certainly where I work we are obliged to issue two written warnings prior to a person being sacked.

A friend of mine works in France, and the company he used to work for was bought out by a US company.  The American bosses decided they didn&#039;t need the office in France so they closed it and made all the employees there redundant.  They should have checked up on French employment law first - it cost them a huge amount in redundancy settlements (my friend received 13 months&#039; salary as the initial redundancy settlement; plus, in France, the unemployment benefit is about two-thirds of the salary you were on before losing your job; plus, in France, there is a bonus payment when you find a new job, which is one reason that taxes are so high in France).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two comments to make here:</p>
<p>(1) This incident is an utter disgrace. Lisette Reynolds should be locked away (preferably in a nice soft cell where she can&#8217;t do anyone any harm).</p>
<p>(2) Boy, you guys have some dumb employment law in the US.  IIUC, there is no country in western Europe in which an employee may legally be fired for a &#8220;first offence&#8221;.  Certainly where I work we are obliged to issue two written warnings prior to a person being sacked.</p>
<p>A friend of mine works in France, and the company he used to work for was bought out by a US company.  The American bosses decided they didn&#8217;t need the office in France so they closed it and made all the employees there redundant.  They should have checked up on French employment law first &#8211; it cost them a huge amount in redundancy settlements (my friend received 13 months&#8217; salary as the initial redundancy settlement; plus, in France, the unemployment benefit is about two-thirds of the salary you were on before losing your job; plus, in France, there is a bonus payment when you find a new job, which is one reason that taxes are so high in France).</p>
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