I think you are mistaken about DS always seeing the light of Common Ancestry. I recall a discussion on PT where he was arguing the opposite (normal creationist junk of “kinds”).

So, you think having an agnostic blogger in favour of ID will convince the court it is no longer religious? I know a church where there are at least 5 agnostic people. This must mean that church is not about religion. There are thousands of Christians that are scientists. Does this mean science is Christian?

You think having a cranky, over the wall, crazy, insulting biologist to testify in court will convince the judge that this “professor emeritus” is right and the rest of the scientific community is wrong? JAD under crossfire. I would pay a monthly salary to get a video of that. Saltation, front-loading is better than RM+NS? Wishful thinking. At least we have witnessed RM, and we have witnessed NS. We know it exists. Nobody else seems interested in front-loading (just “cdesign proponentsists”). But hey, JAD is the new Mule that the ID people might be riding into court.

Oh, and at the next court case, is Dembski going to be a coward and run away again, or actually do the right thing and stick with his “friends”?

But hang on, I thought ID people did not want it taught in schools, and now you do? You bunch used to be indecisive, but now you are not sure anymore!

Change your handle to “Captain Positive” if you think anything has really changed. The same old lies, just different clown suits for it.

Most citations under “Behe M” are to
a different person, working in the field of nuclear medicine at the University of Marburg,
Germany. However, judging from the titles, there are a few papers by the American Michael J Behe
from the early 1980′s which are listed under
“Behe M”. One of these, from 1982 has been cited
820 times, a very respectable number.

For William Dembski I got 5 contributions to the literature under “Dembski WA” and about 91 more
citations under that name. Adding that to those
under W Dembski I get about 127 citations.
I did not find any more citing papers in the field of mathematics.

The 5 contributions are about various aspects of ID. One, called “Randomness by design” from 1991, has been cited 4 times, another, from 1998, has been cited once, by FJ Beckwith.

Here are some more counts from the ISI data base:

astrology 664 (mostly historical work)
homeopathic 733
dowsing 82 (some relating to a person named
William Dowsing)
intelligent design 264 (same number as Wesley’s, my 204 may have been a misprint)

The original paper on cold fusion, M. Fleischmann and S Pons, J. Electroanalytical Chemistry 261 (1989) 301-308 has been cited 689 times in the
literature covered by the ISI data base.

Michael Behe’s book “Darwin’s black box” has been cited 43 times in the ISI data base. He may have a few more citations for his ID work in other publications. He has a decent number of citations for his conventional work in science.

For W Dembski I find a total of 37 citations in the ISI data base. One of these is obviously to work by a different person. There are a total of 2 (two) citations to his paper in Journal of Theoretical Probability 3 (1990) 611. One citing paper is about mathematics, the other is a paper by FJ Beckwith on science and religion 20 years after McLean v Arkansas, published in Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy 2003.

I cannot say for sure that my counts are correct to the last digit. It is now quite late, Central European Time…

506.030 Criminal solicitation.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal solicitation when, with the intent of promoting or
facilitating the commission of a crime, he commands or encourages another person
to engage in specific conduct which would constitute that crime or an attempt to
commit that crime or which would establish the other’s complicity in its
commission or attempted commission.
(2) A criminal solicitation is a:
(a) Class C felony when the crime solicited is a violation of KRS 521.020 or
521.050;
(b) Class B felony when the crime solicited is a Class A felony or capital offense;
(c) Class C felony when the crime solicited is a Class B felony;
(d) Class A misdemeanor when the crime solicited is a Class C or D felony;
(e) Class B misdemeanor when the crime solicited is a misdemeanor.

506.040 Criminal conspiracy.
(1) A person having the intention of promoting or facilitating the commission of a
crime is guilty of criminal conspiracy when he:
(a) Agrees with one (1) or more persons that at least one (1) of them will engage
in conduct constituting that crime or an attempt or solicitation to commit such
a crime; or
(b) Agrees to aid one or more persons in the planning or commission of that crime
or an attempt or solicitation to commit such a crime.
(2) Except as provided in a specific statute to the contrary, a criminal conspiracy is a:
(a) Class C felony when the conspiratorial agreement is a violation of KRS
521.020 or 521.050;
(b) Class B felony when the object of the conspiratorial agreement is a Class A
felony or capital offense;
(c) Class C felony when the object of the conspiratorial agreement is a Class B
felony;
(d) Class A misdemeanor when the object of the conspiratorial agreement is a
Class C or D felony;
(e) Class B misdemeanor when the object of the conspiratorial agreement is a
misdemeanor.

> Even if someone is supporting moral civil
> disobedience (which Dembski may think he is doing, > but others may disagree). If I made a public offer
> to pay the fines and court costs of anyone who
> violated some Bush adminsitration “no-protest zone,”
> I would be just as liable for that crime as the
> people who broke the rule.

> What State is Dembski in?

I don’t think the Wisconsin bill is a law quite yet, so charging Dembski w/ inciting lawbreaking is premature. Dembski could simply withdraw the offer if/when the WI bill becomes law. There’s also the matter of state lines that would make serving/charging Dembski difficult (is publicly inciting lawbreaking a crime that one could be extradited for?), the jurisdictional issues, and the fact that Dembski could easily (and legally) welsh on the offer w/o (legal) penalty. (Assuming Dembski’s offer is, in fact, illegal, a contract for performance of illegal actions is void/unenforceable.)

And Dembski is in Kentucky, I think.

I not sure about the state Dembski is in (the Disco Institute is in Seattle; his BBQ restaurant is in Texas), but I’m quite certain on the river–
De Nile.

There are at least 8 research projects at major universities and research centers on cold fusion right now. The researchers do not claim that it works; they claim only that there is something that happens sometimes that they cannot yet explain. Last year the Department of Energy took these efforts seriously enough to do a review of their decision not to fund any of the projects. Energy ultimately determined there isn’t enough in cold fusion to merit federal funding.

In no case, however, has any cold fusion advocate appeared before any school board or church congregation to ask for money for a campaign to get cold fusion into high school physics books. In no case has any cold fusion advocate asked a state legislature to pass a law saying it is legitimate science (and when Utah passed a law providing funding to work on the idea, advocates didn’t complain when the state backed off a few years later).

On ethical grounds, cold fusion advocates have it all over intelligent design advocates. What faith do they profess?

hugs,
Shirely Knott

Shirely is right. Inciting commission of a crime is itself a crime. Especially if offering money to do so.

Even if someone is supporting moral civil disobedience (which Dembski may think he is doing, but others may disagree). If I made a public offer to pay the fines and court costs of anyone who violated some Bush adminsitration “no-protest zone,” I would be just as liable for that crime as the people who broke the rule.

What State is Dembski in?